Hey guys there is no argument. There hasn’t been a significant argument for about a decade.

As regards Haywards disgraceful misrepresentation of the work done on deforestation :

Mt. Kilimanjaro is treacherous terrain, in more ways than one. For example, when Hardy co-authored an article criticizing Thompson’s theory that global warming is destroying Kilimanjaro’s glaciers as "simplistic," climate change skeptics triumphantly misread the statement as evidence that global warming isn’t taking place

Read the whole article here : https://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,403035-2,00.html

It’s always the same with "you people" pick the bits you like, discard what you don’t.

Climate change is a field in which 95% of the experts are saying the same thing.

What a great pity it is that your overhelming concern to "hear the other side" doesn’t extend to the 49% of americans who voted for someone other than Bush.

Climate change is a field in which 95% of the experts are saying the same thing.

It’s always the same with "you people" pick the bits you like, discard what you don’t.

I think that the second quote if you read the article by the Telegraph clearly shows that "liberals" are the ones who disregard scientific data that doesn’t fit in with there theories and maybe if scientists who dissent in the global climate change theory didn’t see all their grant funding disappear there might be more openness about the issue.

I think that the second quote if you read the article by the Telegraph clearly shows that "liberals" are the ones who disregard scientific data that doesn’t fit in with there.

Spare me the telegraph fronting for well known climate skeptics like Bob Carter. However many articles you trot out, they are still a deserved minority in the field, although in fairness, Carter is not an out and out lying petro shill. In time if they have a genuine case they will become a majority. Scientists thankfully do not behave like politicians.

In the meantime though, you are out of luck.

The Bush regime’s relentless, and deeply irresponsible, drive to suppress science they disagree with has been widely documented. I don’t dispute though that the "liberals" (whatever that means) have at some point and on some issue done the same.

However Bush and Co. have elevated sheer in your face "screw you" abuse of science to a new and unprecedented level.

A fact which, if you are the kind of rational nationalist that frequents this site, should concern you. Another decade of this could cause irreparable harm to the US, and because so much valuable research comes out of the US, that harm extends to the rest of us.

None of this however, addresses my primary annoyance, Steve Hayward’s disingenuous comment (in the podcast) about the deforestation research. Pretty shameful.

Case and point. Thank you Brian.