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It is now becoming clear that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was alive for at least a few minutes after the Americans (the super secretive Delta Force, it would seem) got to him. While I know that in the court of justice none might see salvation, and also know that the severest justice might not always be best policy, yet, in this case, policy and justice and salvation are attached. Zarqawi saw the Americans with his own eyes before he died. Good.

Austin Bay has some clear thoughts on the Z-Man’s death, as does Daniel Henninger. This long profile of Zarqawi from The Atlantic is also worth reading.

Also note that the same day Zarqawi was killed, the Iraq government finished forming itself: The cabinet positions in the departments of the interior and defense were finally filled. This is also excellent news. Remember when the MSM was pushing the civil war in Iraq? Well, we are not there, and we are less likely to get there today than ever. There is in fact good reason to be optimistic. They have a complete and full, and relatively decent government for the first time, ever. Impressive.

Discussions - 22 Comments

I hadn’t thought of that, but I’m glad too. After the awful and evil things this man did, I’m glad at the end he saw who had settled his hash.

Who would have thought that the death of one of the most important enemies that his country is fighting would arouse such bitter incivility, name-calling, mutual recriminations about traitors and fascists, and American self-loathing on this site? Yikes!

Tony, why does this shock you when half of NLT’s posters support the country and its soldiers and the other half root for the enemy?

"by he was talking about you, "dain" -- I’m sorry, I don’t read ’idiot’ very well. What were you trying to say?

Did anyone see cowboy-boot wearing Al Gore on Leno last night? Leno said something about it feeling wrong to celebrate the death of a person. Gore didn’t buy it. Very manly, I guess you could say.

I also found the other Zarqawi-string on this site very entertaining. Am I the only one who thinks it strange to have Dain defending this site instead of railing against it? Is Moser on vacation or soemthing? And Craig Scalon has a sharp wit.

Perhaps the oddest thing of all is that Zarqawi opposed Saddam. It was not until our removal of Saddam that Zarqaqi and his friends were able to turn Iraq into a terrorist’s playground. Perhaps Aristotle was correct that anarchy is worse than tyranny.

And Craig Scalon has a sharp wit. (blink, blink)...for example?

Weaver unedited:He committed some of the deadliest attacks in Iraq, though they still represent only some 10 percent of the country’s total number of attacks.

>Weaver edited: He committed some of the deadliest attacks in Iraq, some 10 percent of the country’s total number of attacks.

Let’s see, if he is responsible for 10 percent of the attacks and his attacks were some of the deadliest, conservatively that would put it at around 7000 deaths he caused.

Zarqawi saw the Americans with his own eyes before he died. Good. I hope our men saw abject, panic stricken, terror in his eyes.

And Craig Scalon has a sharp wit.

Hmmm...sharp wit or half wit? Judging by the last two days of posts a solid case could be made for the latter.

Everybody has to pay for his bad deeds and so did Zarqawi. Atlast god had mercy on Iraq and such a manaic deserves to burn in hell.

I didn’t say I always agreed with Scanlon, but there were somethings in there that made me laugh out loud. This one for instance:

"A woman and child were killed in the same bombing that got Zarqawi; it might’ve been a good thing to avoid those deaths. After a one hour Zarqawi Death Party, should there be 5 seconds of silence for at least the dead kid, who could’ve someday experienced Bush’s gifts of Freedom and Democracy (TM)? What’s the protocol there? (Maybe he too was ’born an American, just in the wrong place’ and he could’ve become an Ashbrook Scholar and seen Mr. Schramm’s motorcycle collection after a great day in classes) I seriously doubt that Zarqawi’s death will reduce the number or intensity of future terrorist acts."

I also should point out that it’s not fun to have everyone in the room jumping on your back, as I’m sure Dain will testify. I think Scanlon did alright.

Again I think I sense a change in Dain. He’s come around to at least half of the NLT "invade the world, invite the world" foreign policy agenda.

Dain even praised Lincoln for shutting down northern printing presses during the war! (For the record Lincoln threw about 10,000 political prisoners in jail; in one instance he had an Ohio congressman deported).

Methinks you conflate cheap sarcasm for wit...for shame, contrarian.

I’ve always supported the Iraqi war, but not because of some neo-con Wilsonian crappola. "Draining the swamp" as Rumsfeld noted was the only really long-term solution, and to do that we need a demonstration project to prove 1) our strength & resolve, and 2) that political change is possible, even in Islam. Afghanistan and Iraq, however unlikely, were the logical starting points...one invited us to kick their butts, and the other had a Stalinesque reputation and repeated violations of global human rights norms.

Unfortunately, the anti-American left has only allowed us a good start...I’m afraid they so sap our resolve that we won’t be able to finish well. I hope I’m wrong about that.

As for Lincoln, I’ve always been ambivalent about his record. If you accepted his premise that the union was imperiled and had the right to treat Southerners & Copperheads as traitors, then his actions were virtuous. If, on the other hand, you believe that Southerners had both the natural and legal right to secede, then he was a bloody-minded dictator.

Let us get immediately into provication.

Speculation as to Zarq’s last words or view.

I am reminded of Greg Larson’s cartoon of many years ago entitled "Custer’s Last View". Whereupon the late general(colonel) looks upon 6 to 8 grinning Indian warriors. In Zarqawi’s case, I would like to speculate that the last American Marine he viewed was named Goldberg. Just desserts for this animal.

Uh, reply Coughlan?

I think we are ALL, liberals included, thrilled to see this maniac gone.
But we can refrain from insulting a man who’s son was beheaded on a television?
He’s been though quite a bit, no? You would ve NO IDEA what’s that like,eh?
Perhaps calling him "insane" is a tad insensitive.....even if he says something you dont agree with.

Thomas, if the man wants sympathy then he needs to show a bit of compassion himself. When he first spoke out I was a bit more forgiving...grief speaking out, I thought to myself. At this point, however, his projection is simply a failure to hold himself (partially) responsible. He needs to find a way to deal with his pain that does not involve dragging other people down.

Dain,


You have a strange idea of responsibility. How is the father responsible for his son’s beheading. I think I read before that you think the manner in which Berg raised his child had something to do with it. How, in any sense, to you come to that conclusion.

Well, Fred, how about this. Michael Berg was a long-time (hard left) anti-war activist, and it sounds like his son was following in his footsteps. The acorn doesn’t fall far from the tree.

Dain - that site link is quite weak. A lot of ridiculous speculation and conjecture. This part was at least amusing:

"Media reports have identified Nicholas Berg’s company as Prometheus Methods Tower Service, Inc. Perhaps it is a mere coincidence that there is another company involved in the radio business with a similar name: the Prometheus Radio Project. The company’s website describes its mission as ’’a media activist group ….. connected to all struggles for more democratic communications’’ and it provides links to such groups as the National Lawyers Guild Committee on Democratic Communications and Americans for Radio Diversity. Neither the names of Nicholas Berg or his company are mentioned on the website and neither is International ANSWER, although the politics seem similar. Hmm!"

Yeah...hmmm.... Pretty serious stuff. Googling will ALSO find a Prometheus pharmaceutical company that specializes in gastrointestinal disorders....hmm!!!!

Also, Dain, is it safe to say, based on your comment 15 that you are a person concerned with "global human rights norms"? That’s something to make note of, if so.

Contrarian - glad I gave you something to laugh about. No one ever did tell me, though, if they interrupted their Zarqawi Death Parties w/ a few seconds of silence for the dead kid. Oh well.

And yet, trollboy, I notice that you can’t actually contradict what was said in the link. Hmmm...just throw some dirt on it and run...typical of trolldom.

So, was or was not Michael Berg an anti-war activist from WAY back? What was Nick Berg actually doing in Iraq? And why wouldn’t having a card-carrying member of the "surrender-is-us" crowd for a father shape a young man’s outlook? My major contention stands -- Michael Berg is far more responsible for putting his son in that situation that either Bush or Rumsfeld, and its LONG PAST TIME for him to accept some responsibility for that fact.

It started my day right off! Great news!

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