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1.It’s amazing how partisan the various analysts are. It’s really hard to be a genuine SOCIAL SCIENTIST and just see what’s there with your own eyes.

2. Among the best analysts is always Mickey Kaus. Mickey reasonably says that McCain achieved limited but significant success in making Obama seem naive and inexperienced. More impressively, he dispelled concerns about his own recklessness with his very prudent remarks on Iran and Pakistan.

3. Obama negated, Mickey adds, his advantages on the economy by not being able to speak compellingly about the pain of the middle class.

4. The "stunt" of going to Washington, maybe not debating etc. turned out to be a net negative for McCain, although not a big one.

5. Maybe McCain’s victory is still "Pyrrhic," as Mickey claims: People want change, McCain’s distancing of himself from Bush wasn’t effective enough, and Obama only has to pass the relatively low credibility test in these debates. Despite his surprisingly weak rhetorical display, he may well have done that.

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"It’s amazing how partisan the various analysts are." I think is it amazing how partisan analysts on NLT can comment on how partisan analysts are. But that seems to be the blogosphere, partisans calling other partisans deeply partisan.

PETER, the social scientists, the pundits, the commentary class, they're looking for little gotcha' moments. To take a word we heard last night from the Ivy Leaguer, such "folk" desire to enter into the depths of policy wonkdom.

But that's now how Americans watch the debate. Nor is that what they're listening for.

Obama's entire demeanor last night was that of a man who exudes arrogance and entitlement. The guy simply could not, simply could NOT allow John McCain to complete an answer without trying to override him and drown him out.

The last time I saw one person so thoroughly demolish the pretentions of another was the Lazio/Clinton debate, where the supposed "callow youth," Rik Lazio, absolutely handled poor Hillary.

In the history of presidential debates, we've never seen one candidate so effortlessly exposed as Obama was last night.

Dan, you really ought to lay off the crack pipe. I don't know anyone who thinks Lazio "absolutely handled poor Hillary." Her poll numbers improved after that debate. And Obama's numbers have improved already in the wake of last night's debate.

Obama's numbers have improved already in the wake of last night's debate.

That would be remarkable, considering that no polls have been run since the debate, which occurred less than a day ago.


But the left has never felt itself constrained by mere reality.

McCain failed to push back against Obama's effort to pin the financial crisis on the Republican Party. The reality is that the bulk of the blame for the mess we are in rests with Democrats, including those still in Congress and in charge og cleaning up their own mess.

If the Democrats/media succeed in making this a Republican problem, they win the election. I don't see much sign that McCain is aware of this yet. His scapegoat is Chris Cox, who is blameless in all this. At the next debate McCain needs to make it crystal clear what happened.

Yes, it was the democrats who forced me to offer loans to people, to charge them astronomical interest rates they could not pay, and to blackmail the government into bailing me out when they did not pay. You idiots rail against dependence on foreign oil when it is dependence on foreign capitalists that keeps you in bondage. Now, if you will excuse me, I have front row tickets to the Redskins game.

Yes, it was the democrats who forced me to offer loans to people

Yes, it was.

and to blackmail the government into bailing me out when they did not pay

Yup, that's the Democrats again.

If you're going to try for sarcasm, it helps to know the facts.

Some awkward facts.

Not that the left has ever given a damn about facts.


The SEC should never have trusted me with that voluntary supervision program, from which I could withdraw at my discretion. Only the 'free market' could restrain me. Ha ha ha. Cox 'shutting down the program' was a real hoot, since all of us independent Wall Street firms that were 'self-regulating' have all disappeared. When Moody's launched that new credit-rating model in 2004, that was a scream. I could easily adjust rating requirements, reduce my standards and pursue profits from the structured investment pools sold by my clients. I made millions selling 'top-rated' subprime mortgage-backed bonds before the free market could even catch up to my corporate evil. And now thanks to my useful idiot Bush the dumbass taxpayer will bail me out and thank me for what trickled down. Now to just pin this on the democrats, and my crime will have been complete.

You ARE a Democrat, dumbass. Who do the CEO's of the banks support? Not the Republicans.

I made millions selling 'top-rated' subprime mortgage-backed bonds before the free market could even catch up to my corporate evil.

I know you did, Jim Johnson.

And now you are an advisor for Barack Obama! Is this a great country or what?

Who was it that walked out of a courtoom and croaked: "Guilty as sin and free as a bird, is this a great country or what!"

Who was it that said that?

Here's a hint. Obama and his wife know the guy who said that well, REAL well. All too well.

That would be remarkable, considering that no polls have been run since the debate, which occurred less than a day ago. But the left has never felt itself constrained by mere reality.

Hey, dipshit, I was talking about instant polling done with groups of undecided voters while the debates were going on. Here is the link, in language even you might be able to understand.

Many Americans tuned in to watch the most recent “town hall-style” debate between presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain. My assumptions about politicians did not change much. No matter how direct a question is, politicians of any party cannot give a genuine or spontaneous answer. Instead, we are given pre-written responses that typically don’t answer the question we’re really asking. The reviews of the debate seem to be the same: BORING! The New York Times explained that the debate was “90 minutes of forced cordiality,” and I can’t say I disagree. And the Boston Globe depicted the debate as “mercifully free” of personal attacks. Consequently, the debate was also free of much of the tension that grabs TV viewers’ attention. McCain continued to toot his own horn: he restated the importance of his experience, his “stay the course” stance on the war in Iraq, and his oil drilling policies. Obama proceeded to criticize the Republican economic policies that he believes are to blame for the economic recession. Even after the debate, I think most Americans still have no concept of how the candidates would actually act in the face of a pending economic catastrophe. American needs a sound economic proposal. Obama’s stance on “predatory lending” – effectively sanctioning payday advance lenders – is not a sensible solution to the real economic problems we face.
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