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Hugo Chavez, thug

"You do not come into my country, my congressional district, and you do not condemn my president. If there is any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans, whether they voted for him or not. I just want to make it abundantly clear to Hugo Chavez or any other president, do not come to the United States and think because we have problems with our president that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our Chief of State." Said Charles Rangel (D), New York; here is video. And then Rep. Nancy Pelosi calls Hugo Chavez a "thug." If they keep talking like this, maybe they will win back the House! Well, maybe not.

Discussions - 22 Comments

Not a good sign. It means the Democrats are coming to their senses, probably just because they’re worried about not winning Congress.

Oh, my Gawd Are the Dhimmicrats finally waking up? Ah mean if a guest comes inta yer house and "craps" on the floor then demands you clean it up.......well won’t ya be a little ticked off? Well, depends on whut Dhimmicrat yer a talkin’ to

This whole "dhimmicrat" thing... I know it’s intended to be funny but it comes off as stupid, like "rethuglican" or "sheeple" does. Plus, it doesn’t even work as a gag because of the "h". What the hell is that doing in there?

"Dhimmi" refers to the traditional status of non-Muslims in Muslim regimes. They were tolerated, and even largely allowed freedom of worship, but were subject to official discrimination in government jobs, taxation, etc.

Really, Danny, if you intend to ridicule something it’s advisable to understand what that something is. Geez, what a dhimmwit.

"Dhimmi" refers to the traditional status of non-Muslims in Muslim regimes.

OK, really? That’s what "jesse fan" was referring to when he spelled it that way? It’s not just because he spells like Foghorn Leghorn talks?

Also, is Rangel serious when he says "If there is any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans, whether they voted for him or not?" Uh, where did that rule come from? No one is allowed to criticize Dubya but Americans, huh? So are we still allowed to criticize leaders of other countries?

OK, really? That’s what "jesse fan" was referring to when he spelled it that way? It’s not just because he spells like Foghorn Leghorn talks?

I can’t fathom why Foghorn Leghorn (my favorite Warner Brothers cartoon character--"Boy, I say, boy, put down that long-haired book!") would add an "H" to the word "dim." It doesn’t make any sense.

As for Rangel, I think the critical point is that Chavez came to our country--and Rangel’s district--to badmouth the president. Do you think Bush would be invited to Venezuela to insult Chavez? It’s a simple matter of being gracious to one’s hosts.

First, I think there’s a difference between being invited by the United States government and being invited by the U.N. (We can agree on that much, right?) Chavez came to the U.N. and spoke before the nations gathered there. To some degree, it’s almost neutral territory.

Now there might be a much better case to say that Chavez didn’t display good diplomatic manners when he referred to the UN General Assembly as "worthless." I’m sure Mr. John Remove-The-Top-Ten-Floors Bolton could barely supress a grin at that comment. He might also agree with Chavez that the UN is "merely a deliberative organ."

And the "Dhimmicrats" thing doesn’t make much sense, really, especially coming from a hater of Democrats. So, is jesse fan sayng that the Dems are an oppressed class that’s discriminated against??

thanks for the schooling John. And Jesse, I take your meaning that we are an oppressed class that is being unfair denied our rights by a religious theocracy. Thanks for understanding. I love you man.

I wish you people would quit mispelling Fogorn Legorn’s name.

Ed, where did you come up with that spelling?

And I still wish jesse fan would drop the ridiculous "accent." We get it, you’re super southern!

I think it the "dhimmicrats" was meant to signify not that the Democrats were oppressed in America so much as in the thrall of Muslims. At least that’s what I took it to mean. I think you guys are just mad you didn’t understand the reference.

Phil, are you referring to his spelling of Foghorn Leghorn or...misspelling?

Actor Danny Glover had a huge toothy smile with his arm wrapped around his good friend, Chavez, in today’s paper.

In regards to comments 8 and 9,I do not see "Dhimmicrats" Dhimmis as "oppressed. But rather as subserviant and maleable servants to Muslim bullies and thugs. Dhimmi’s only exist at the pleasure of their Muslim "Superiors". Freedom and life taken away at an instant; a snap of the fingers for example. .

If you do not still understand Dhimmi; refer to H.G. Wells The Time Machine and read about the "Eloi" (futuristic Dhimmi’s of a sort). Or see the 1960 movie version.

Also, while Chavez was only permitted to enter the U.S., not invited by the U.S. govt. - an important distinction - his personal doctor and chief of security were required to stay on board the plane that they came on. I doubt that Bush or Cheney would even agree to enter any country under such conditions. Additionally, Venezuela’s foreign minister got the "second screening" airport hassle job. So, while I still contest the notion that Bush/the U.S. govt. was Chavez’s "host", the idea that Chavez should have been more "gracious" to a host this inhospitable - or in the diplomatic sense, hostile - is a bit much.

jessefan - thanks for the H.G. Wells recommendation; I’ll check out the part you referred to.

Can you clarify your last comment for me, please? You said "Dhimmi’s only exist at the pleasure of their Muslim ’Superiors’." Dhimmi’s WHAT only exist at the pleasure of their Muslim "superiors"? Dhimmi’s homes, dogs, children, what? Also, you said that Elois were "futuristic Dhimmi’s of a sort." Again, Dhimmi’s WHAT of a sort? Friends, colleagues, protectors, what? Apparently you just left out a couple words, but I’m curious what they were.

For Craig Scanlon:

Please check this site for a better explanation of Dhimmi’s and Dhimmitude

A sample......

Rules of dhimmitude
"The vanquished non-Muslims peoples are granted security for their life and possessions, as well as a relative self-autonomous administration and limited religious rights according to the modalities of the conquest. These rights are subject to two conditions: the payment of a poll tax (the jizya) and submission to the provisions of Islamic law."

"The concept of toleration is linked to a number of discriminatory obligations in the economic, religious and social fields, imposed by the shari’a on the dhimmis. The transgression by the dhimmis of some of these obligations, abolished their protection, and threaten them with death or slavery. Dhimmis suffered many legal disabilities intended to reduce them to a condition of humiliation, segregation and discrimination. These rules, established from the eight to nine centuries by the founders of the four schools of Islamic law, set the pattern of the Muslim’s community’s social behavior toward dhimmis."

"Jews and Christians are referred to as the People of the Book, they share the same legal status, while other religious group - like the Zoroastrians for instance - were more despised and treated harsher."

"Dhimmitude covers more than a millennium of Christian and Jewish history, as well as of other groups. It is a comprehensive civilization encompassing customs, legislation, social behavior. Numerous laws were enacted over the centuries by the Muslim authorities, to implement its principles. It was abolished during the 19th -20th centuries under European pressure and colonization of Arab countries."

"Today the resurgence of traditional Islam revitalizes the spirit of jihad against the dar al-harb and of dhimmitude for the non-Muslim minorities."

Definitely not a pleasant way of life or existence. Now imagine the fate of the atheist or gay individual in such a society.

It is a large website; but worth the visit. I’ve bookmarked it.

Mr. Scanlon, you seem to go out of your way to find reasons to defend our country’s bitterest enemies. What sort of American are you? What sort of MAN are you?

Is Venezuela/Hugo Chavez one of our bitterEST enemies? The list of enemies seems to be growing at a steady clip, so forgive me if If so, shouldn’t they be added to our declared "Axis of Evil"?

I wasn’t really defending Chavez - I find talk of "devils" to be rather silly, whether it comes from his mouth attacking Bush or a right-winger’s mouth attacking Muslims; what next, talk of arrow-wielding cherubs on St. Valentine’s day? - and, as I was trying to make clear, I don’t think he needs to be defended against Bush. I simply disagreed with the notion that Bush was Chavez’s "host" and that Chavez wasn’t "gracious" to him.

As for "what kind" of American and man I am, what sort of details are you seeking Mr. Sinclair?

jessefan - In the process of trying to help me understand dhimmitude, you’ve apparently left out a critical word that I can’t guess to fill in the blank: "Please check this site for a better explanation of Dhimmi’s _______ and Dhimmitude" - Dhimmi’s WHAT?? Ideas? Origins? Belief system? Fashion trends? Thanks for the link, though. I’m checking it out.

Hey Lanny, maybe Craig just hates freedom. Anyway, how do you know he’s an American?

For Craig Scanlon. More info regarding Dhimmitude

"In the early years of the Islamic conquests, the "tribute" or jizya was paid as a yearly poll tax, which symbolized the subordination of the dhimmi. Later, the inferior status of Jews and Christians was reinforced through a series of regulations that governed the behavior of the dhimmi. Jews and Christians were awarded a different status than other faiths. They were considered to be under protection as “people of the book.” People of non-monotheistic faiths, pagans, or atheists were simply to be exterminated." Item from...

Also note this. Sounds familiar? “Dhimmis were also forced to wear distinctive clothing. In the ninth century, for example, Baghdad’s Caliph al-Mutawakkil designated a yellow badge for Jews, setting a precedent that would be followed centuries later.”

I myself can only this quoteing...

"The Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation. If I were an atheist, and believed blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations."
-John Adams

Please no more talk of Nasrallah or Amedinnijad or however this Neo-Nazi spells his name. Enough is enough.

Oh, by the way, the nun that was shot in the back by Islamist cowards had more moral certitude and conviction than a thousand Rachel Corries.

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