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This article focuses on Obama’s efforts to organize through churches, where he clearly goes beyond just showing up on Sunday and being introduced by the pastor.

He’s also been talking about "creat[ing] a Kingdom [of God] right here on Earth," which doesn’t sit well with C. Welton Gaddy, a liberal Baptist separationist who heads the Interfaith Alliance. Obama’s efforts to organize through churches also come up for some mild criticism

Might Barack Obama be the most "theocratic" candidate in this field in either party?

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I think not. From Obama's church;

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

He's a good old-fashioned racist, not a theocrat.

Obama's altar call and offers to be a "Congregation contact" sounds like church intervention in a political campaign to me. It looks like the IRS will be very busy this campaign.

I'm struck by the presumptuous nature of his claim to "create a Kingdom of God here on earth." There already is a Kingdom of God on earth right now, and it was created by God himself. We -- and Obama -- are invited to join that Kingdom, not create it.

What God are we talking about? This is America and we can create our own. "Kingdom" though, that sounds an establishment of religion issue to me. As long as Congress is not making any law about this, we ought to be all right.

This from might help us figure out if Obama is really for us.

Kate, what's interesting to see about that VAJOE site is how slim a lead Republicans hold among those who took the survey. Less than 10 points! Mike Gravel is the #1 match-up, and Kucinich was a match for 3 times as many respondents as Fred Thompson! Pretty remarkable for a military readership, esp. a site that has been featured on Glenn Beck's show.

Can we please drop this endless Obama-as-religious-leader theme? It's all CRAP. More than a few liberals like to dress their socialistic politics in theological clothing. Obama, and many other black politicians, do it rather blatantly. Obama is higher-profile because he's running (sort of) for president. He's also smoother and less threatening, maybe uses a Harvard word every now and then. But there is no substantial difference. And that should be the end of the story, on NLT and everywhere else.

5: Paul, two quick points. 1: Idiots are everywhere, even among a "military readership." 2: Online surveys are easy to spam, and probably reflect more than their fair share of idiots anyway. They do not necessarily reflect the site's readership, let alone military online readership generally.

I wasn't interested in the VAJOE site's results for the reasons David Frisk mentions. A dedicated Kucinich fan is frightening and certainly capable of spamming such a site. If that site has been featured on Glenn Beck then it is prime for interference.

I was interested in the connection with political positions, divorced from any consideration of the candidates. The survey tells me I must like Romney. I didn't think so and wonder at the aversion, worrying that it is irrational. My husband, for his own mysterious reasons, took the survey several times and landed himself with a different candidate almost every time. I marvel at the inconsistency and wonder if he is just uncertain of his position on some topics or if the survey has a little randomness built into it.

Does anyone really take the "Obama as religious leader" thing seriously? It looks like such an obvious campaign ploy. Are we really debating the fact here, or analyzing the plausibility of the campaign?

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